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shmek · Apr 15, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

Oh yes.... if 55 was removed from the game (about half which is simply built on farming ....errr... looking for items to use/sell), then all the farming will stop as you think needs be done. Great idea for a limited capacity cranium.

People should get all gold from repeating missions or pvp right?

All the farmers will use whatever they choose to use to farm regardless, and if you don't like farming, then you might want to look for a new game.

Lastly, if crying for nerfs wasn't so prevelant, we'ed probably not have had those which we have had thus far in the first place, but that probably makes many ituwl buybuyies a bit unhappy.... awe.....

Here's a thought that some could say is close to already the case ... everyone make a 55er

Then they will at least experience that second profession enough to be able to use it for possible other helps in guild battles/groups/etc when needed. Who doesn't love a monk or someone that can "lemme go grab my monk." This expands the game for many rather then hurt.

....Great way to run a much repeated topic up as a long thread here... maybe that was what was really after with the original post??

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Except they are making it harder for more than just the 55 to do it.

YAY!! Now we have 3 or 5 people out farming together! Whoohoo!! That just makes life grand doesn't it! Kumbaya.........

The Fenixxor · Apr 15, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Not prepaired to read any of the other posts, but there are no glitches or bugs with the 55 build, it works exactly as its meant to.

Evilsod · Apr 15, 2006, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Well you can hardly blame them for nerfing the 55 monk soloing.

I first got my 55-monk a few weeks before the AoE Patch (runes cost me 100k ffs!) but the run was frigging easy. You could storm the entire place with ease thanks to mass damaging AoE smiting spells in no time at all and keep all the rewards for yourself. It was either sort it out somehow, make ecto drops so rare at the start that trapper teams have no use either or nerf the 55 monk.

Guess which they picked? Now we have 2-man teams going down there with what seems to be dimishing drops. Problem solved now stop whining for more nerfs.

Haggard · Apr 15, 2006, 09:33 AM // 09:33

55 is situational, like so many other builds. Try taking a 55 on a FoW spider run, and youll see how little it really needs to be nerfed.

Evilsod · Apr 15, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by Haggard

55 is situational, like so many other builds. Try taking a 55 on a FoW spider run, and youll see how little it really needs to be nerfed.

Another good reason. Only very specific places can be farmed with that build. Anything that removes enchantments or causes massive degen or interrupts (mesmers in other words) the build is useless. If you took this build back to Ascalon you'd still struggle to kill some enemies there.

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 15, 2006, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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And really if you think a couple dying nightmares is soo hard to get by either solo or with a group, maybe you need to get some more experience with the game and come back

Did I say they were difficult? I believe I said they should be as difficult to kill as the ones in the FoW. Try reading before you put you foot in you mouth.

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YAY!! Now we have 3 or 5 people out farming together! Whoohoo!! That just makes life grand doesn't it! Kumbaya.........

That was the plan..Instead of 3 or 5 people soloing a spot getting the full 100g from a kill each they are forced to go in a group so the 100g is split between them. So for a group of five instead of 500g per kill coming into the economy you have 20g per kill. This makes for a major drop in the influx of gold coming in which in turn brings the inflated prices down. Once you all get out of grade school you'll be able to take economics.

I see some posts of mine have been removed. Must've hit a nerve with the admin by saying they lack in their admining. Funny how anyone can break the posting rules unless it's a flame against them directly then they take action. Admin abuse at its finest.

Anet has taken many steps when it comes to farming and despite what people have said on these forums I've read on others, farmer's complaints after a good farming spot gets nerfed. People always say "it was because of bots" or "it was to stop bots". Tell me whats the difference between a bot that farms the whole time it's on the game and a player doing the same (other than the bot can do it 24/7)? Between people being night owls and living in places around the world there are still 1000s of people on at any given time in one district or another doing nothing but farming. If they were so big on nerfing the use of bots and noone else, it wouldn't be difficult for them to release a statement saying something like "We will be monitoring accounts and how long they have been logged in. Any accounts logged in for over 24 hours will be automatically logged off" with a warning that if it happens again the account will be banned. Since they already got that hourly message they could just change the message after 20 hrs to "You have been playing for 21 hours, Log off now". Putting it their disclaimer and announcing it to the public in game makes it legal and allowes them to do it.

And no people farming all day then log off just to log back on to use the bot while they did real life stuff wouldn't be able to do it that way. Not if they had actual people or even programs watching for such activity. Yeah sure you could say "what if I want to pull a marathon or an all nighter". Take a shower!

quickmonty · Apr 15, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Did I say they were difficult? I believe I said they should be as difficult to kill as the ones in the FoW. Try reading before you put you foot in you mouth.

That was the plan..Instead of 3 or 5 people soloing a spot getting the full 100g from a kill each they are forced to go in a group so the 100g is split between them. So for a group of five instead of 500g per kill coming into the economy you have 20g per kill. This makes for a major drop in the influx of gold coming in which in turn brings the inflated prices down. Once you all get out of grade school you'll be able to take economics.

500/5=100, not 20

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

I see some posts of mine have been removed. Must've hit a nerve with the admin by saying they lack in their admining. Funny how anyone can break the posting rules unless it's a flame against them directly then they take action. Admin abuse at its finest.

So, you decide to throw gasoline on the fire to put it out?

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Anet has taken many steps when it comes to farming and despite what people have said on these forums I've read on others, farmer's complaints after a good farming spot gets nerfed. People always say "it was because of bots" or "it was to stop bots". Tell me whats the difference between a bot that farms the whole time it's on the game and a player doing the same (other than the bot can do it 24/7)? Between people being night owls and living in places around the world there are still 1000s of people on at any given time in one district or another doing nothing but farming. If they were so big on nerfing the use of bots and noone else, it wouldn't be difficult for them to release a statement saying something like "We will be monitoring accounts and how long they have been logged in. Any accounts logged in for over 24 hours will be automatically logged off" with a warning that if it happens again the account will be banned. Since they already got that hourly message they could just change the message after 20 hrs to "You have been playing for 21 hours, Log off now". Putting it their disclaimer and announcing it to the public in game makes it legal and allowes them to do it.

There are debates as to what constitutes a "bot". Is it a person sitting there doing the same thing over and over, or a program written to do it? Is the person who farms repetitively just to make some extra gold the same as an organized group selling gold on e-bay? I'm not going to make any judgement calls on that. You can spend days reading threads about it.

I'm sure Anet is trying to get rid of "bots". however you define them while allowing "farmers" to have a way to make some extra gold to buy all that nice stuff. Why would they even put FoW armor in the game if they didn't have a way for people to make the millions necessary to get it?

As to your solution, I don't think it would work. You get the "log off now" message (better yet, do this before you get that message) just simply log off, wait a few minutes and log back on.

Peace

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 15, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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500/5=100, not 20

Sorry my mistake

In a group of 5 people, instead of them going solo and getting 100g per kill each (500g total) they would would be getting 100 gold per kill split between them (100g per kill/5 = 20g each). So instead of 500g total coming into the economy they bring in 100g total (per kill). That's 1/5th the amount all because they have to team up.

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So, you decide to throw gasoline on the fire to put it out?

lol what do you mean? gas doesn't burn only gas vapors

Lord Oranos · Apr 15, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Did I say they were difficult? I believe I said they should be as difficult to kill as the ones in the FoW. Try reading before you put you foot in you mouth.

Well what are you complaining about anyway?Oh and I dont appreciate you subtly insulting me.

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 15, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Well what are you complaining about anyway?Oh and I dont appreciate you subtly insulting me.

I didn't subtly insult you, I blatenly insulted you. It was you who subtly insulted me.

Drizix, Mursaat God · Apr 17, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

I've got an awesome idea.

Shut up.

Quit trying to ruin the PvE side of the game because you're jealous of the players who can waste more of their life farming then you can. That's not something to get all butthurt about, its something to be happy about, you've got a life.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to dog on any farmers what so ever, I think that its a game and PVE should've never been touched with stupid skills editting and other crap, its AI. Soloing FOW and UW was hella fun...now its more boring with a group.

People like having money and buying weapons for cheap, whats happened since UW solos were nerfed? Fellblade prices have gone up, from what I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember when I first started working on my warrior to be able to run droknar so I could get 20k for a r.9 +15 while Enchanted Sundering PERFECT FELLBLADE OF ENCHANTING.

I sold it 3 days ago for 100k + 20 ecto. Now you tell me if that's inflation or not?

I win.

General Typhus · Apr 17, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

MRAHHHHHHHH FLAME FLAME FLAME

55 =SATAN
55 =GOD

WTF HAX

Jesus Christ people, keep the debate CIVIL.

Xpl0iter · Apr 17, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Foe

cut pretty deep eh

e-tears are always the sweetest..

No sweet heart, what your not getting is the fact that, there are extremely professional players saying same thing about this one profession. Question is, are you really cutting me deep or just trying to get your self a high rank in the military of idiots?
You are comparing, and laughing about a profession which has been nerfed to death, and has stayed on the wrong side of nerf for way too long.
Mind you, this thread was never about an ELE NERF at first place. it was about A SOLO build available to every profession out there.
If you need more significant proof, i can quote it from other professions as well.

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Originally Posted by Drizix, Mursaat God

I've got an awesome idea.

Shut up.

Quit trying to ruin the PvE side of the game because you're jealous of the players who can waste more of their life farming then you can. That's not something to get all butthurt about, its something to be happy about, you've got a life.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to dog on any farmers what so ever, I think that its a game and PVE should've never been touched with stupid skills editting and other crap, its AI. Soloing FOW and UW was hella fun...now its more boring with a group.

People like having money and buying weapons for cheap, whats happened since UW solos were nerfed? Fellblade prices have gone up, from what I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember when I first started working on my warrior to be able to run droknar so I could get 20k for a r.9 +15 while Enchanted Sundering PERFECT FELLBLADE OF ENCHANTING.

I sold it 3 days ago for 100k + 20 ecto. Now you tell me if that's inflation or not?

I win.

For what i know, If there is not enough gold coming into economy, you can't even buy the thing whether the price is 50k, or 100k, or 500k. It is a simple concept of any economy, be that game or real life. In easy words, go to some Poor african country, and try to sell them a $1,000 worth of machine. Would they care ? Even if they do, can they buy? And in last, are you able to sell that piece of eqipment regardless of how expensive and important it is? Answer to all is NO.

don't matter how much you sold your ectos for, i used to buy bulwarks, and sell them for much higher prices. People had money, they paid for it. People, if not had money, would they buy it at first place? Come on, get serious.

In last, This thread, as people, including my self, asked for a build for every profession to pull with their *own* skills a method of solo farming places like those. At this moment, you are either forced to make a NECRO, or a 55 monk to do it. Why not allow every profession to do something with their own skills for such *rare and not enough* places for farming? That will not hurt 55 farming, but will allow people like me to play with my favourite characters rather than using a cheap ass SS necro, and pull same stuff with 3 skills along with a 55 monk.
Make a mesmer and ele do the same. not just necro. Now, if you are going to tell me about SV, well beats me why ele profession is the only useless one for that. And now, every thing boils down to the same very point, buff the freakin profession and stop nerfing the shit out of it.

By the way, i got an SS of my own just because i am FORCED to play a necro side to do farming in UW. And i am quite good at doing my part in farming. So do not take it as i have no clue of what i am talking about.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

quickmonty · Apr 17, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

I can understand you anger. That is terrible that they FORCED you to do something against your will while playing a game.

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 17, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Quit trying to ruin the PvE side of the game because you're jealous of the players who can

Prior to changes I made with my character I had a W/Mo, 55hp, and an SS all of which I use for farming and do it successfully. So quit with the ignorant replies saying your just jealous. If I can do it as good as the next person what is there for me to be jealous about? I even have a few spots that, from what I can tell, noone seems to know of and yields decent money.

Since I farm successfully then why the strong anti farm arguments? Because I want that superior absorbtion and that max gold weapon and not want to have to farm to afford it. It's been mentioned that if farming was nerfed then rare drops would increase in value since the rate at which they come in would decrease. That is only partially correct. For the first little bit the price will go up but in the long run the amount of gold brought in would decrease significantly forcing those with the maxed out weapons to sell it for less since noone would have the money to afford it at the 100k+ price. All in all Prices would drop.

sh4ft3d · Apr 17, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

/notsigned. this is about the 80th thread on this topic, and frankly, I almost don't feel like convincing others again. About the Ele person, noone "forced" you to make a necro. 55 Eles can be very effective too, and have the advantage of being able to use Obsidian flesh instead of an Elite for damage, because the're skills dont require an Elite to do damage. 55s drive the GW economy, and I don't want to see the effects of what would essentially be a "Stock-Market crash" of GW. Prices would skyrocket, and noone would be able to buy decent weapons.
EDIT: I did read the post before me, just clarifying.

sh4ft3d · Apr 17, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

I didn't subtly insult you, I blatenly insulted you. It was you who subtly insulted me.

Very mature. You admit to flaming. I can't seriously believe that someone will respect your opinion if all you do is insult people, and with very bad grammar at that.

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 17, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

sh4ft3d

While you take your foot out of your mouth I'll explain something to you. When I first started posting on these forums it was with some suggestions since anet referenced this sight to post suggestions as it was checked daily. The first responses (note the plural) I got from different people was nothing but flames. So I thought "If that's the game they want to play then I'm game".

If you had bothered to read the other post you would see that I simply retaliated.

As for correcting my grammer (although microsoft word's grammer check says otherwise), can you not think of something intelligent?

Tyrent Frath · Apr 17, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

ok, my question, which btw, NO ONE has been able to answer...

why call for a nerf on the 55 when a trapping ranger can do trolls in droks just as well?

or a wammo?

arent these "ruining" the economy just the same?

honestly, people call for so many nerfs we're all gonna be hitting each other with 1-dmg rods soon.

sh4ft3d · Apr 17, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Agreed with Tyrent. As for Hunter, My foot has been nowhere near my mouth today, but you do seem quite fond of saying so to people other than myself, so I shall refrain from commenting too long on your meaningless post. They flamed you? Be the better person. Take the high road. Ignore the idiots who can't have an intelligent argument.